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mrblue2
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Posted: 11/20/09 07:19 AM
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I'm just about at my wits end. I've been in and out of the dealer since oct 8th. Symptom: at speeds between 55 - 75 intermitantly the truck will begin to vibrate. If you take your foot off the gas it gets wrose. If you then apply the brakes the steering wheel begins to shake almost violently. If I slow down to about 30 mph it stops and may happen again quickly or may not happenagain for a while. Got to happen only once with the service mgr in the truck. He said it was tie rod ends and replaced them. NO CHANGE. Brought it back and he said the front left caliper was hung up. He replaced it. NO CHANGE. He has now had it for a week and said it didn't do it while he had it. I drove it for 10 minutes and it happened again. You hear a soft rumbling sound when it happens and the truck starts shaking/vibrating. release the gas and it gets worse step on the brake get much worse. I have 7-70 coverage. Is the dealer trying to avoid a major warrenty repair or he he truley unable to figure out whats going on? Do I go to a different dealer? Do I go to a repair shop? This is almost 2 months. What do I do since the dealer doesn't seem to be any help?
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Posted: 11/20/09 08:28 AM
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things to check for.....
jack up one front wheel at a time... wiggle it... is there any play in the wheel bearings??? they are a unitized hub and bearing assembly... but they have lately been known to get a little loose...
with the wheels back on the ground... turn the key one position forward... just enough to unlock the steering wheel.. but not enough to turn on the dash lights...
standing beside the truck.. reach through the window... wiggle the steering wheel... see if there is any loose movement in the steering wheel before the tires move.. you should also be looking to see.. if the truck is moving side to side as you wiggle the wheel...
what you are looking for ..
is the rack and pinion steering box being out of adjustment or worn.. there is an adjustment that keeps the rack shaft in contact with the pinion gear... when this wears.. you will have free play...
is the steering shaft joints loose between the bottom end of the steering column and the rack and pinion
is there any worn inner or outer tie rod ends...
are the rack and pinion mounting bushings worn or loose allowing the rack to move back and forth...
are the upper and lower ball joints worn.... you have to support the lower control arm near the ball joint to check the wear as the lower ball joint is being pulled hard downward.. you have to support it so the suspension does not hang at full extension as that will change the amount of wear that you can test for...
i have not had one of these come in yet... but this is how i check cars and truck when they come in..
one last thing... if you are going to have the front tires rebalanced... you have to take the truck to the shop... have them set out some floor jacks... take the truck for a 2 mile drive.. then bring it back and pull straight in.. and jack it up as soon as you stop.. this stops the cold floor from putting a flat spot on the tire... which i have had problems balancing out..
i would also think that at that speed... it is more of a wheel balance problem... most older tire balancers were designed with the 55 mph limit in mind.. and once in a great while... tire balancers get out of calibration.... count the wheel weights on your wheels... inside and out... they should be in one position on the outside and one position on the inside... if you have tire weights spread out in 2 or 3 different locations around the rim.. on the same side.. the tire balancer might be out of calibration .. or operator error might have come into play..
i bet that there is new TSB on this already.... exactly what parts are causing the problem... i separated the ones that might need checking on...
the pop clunk i would bet might be the one causing the problem...
perhaps one of the other techs on this board.. might post some of the info for those TSBs that i separated. just to give us the ideas... i don't have access to the full text right now..
from alldatadiy.com Automotive Recall and Technical Service Bulletin Titles for 2005 Dodge Truck Dakota 4WD V8-4.7L VIN *** TSB Number & Issue Date TSB Title E14 NOV 05 Recall - A/T Parking Pawl Cup Plug Defect D57 JAN 05 Recall - Side Air Bag Fastener Torque TSB Number & Issue Date TSB Title 18-015-09 MAY 09 Engine Controls - MIL ON/DTC's P0340/P0344 Set 21-021-08 SEP 08 A/T - Repair/Replacement Guidelines
19-004-07 OCT 07 Steering - Pop/Clunk/Click Noise When Turning. STEERING COLUMN INTERMEDIATE SHAFT - POP, CLICK, OR CLUNK-LIKE SOUND WHEN TURNING
23-036-07 AUG 07 Interior - Low Gloss Interior Trim Care Information 26-003-07 MAR 07 Maintenance - Fluid Flushing Recommendations 21-005-07 MAR 07 Engine Controls - MIL ON/DTC P1713/P1776 08-046-06 OCT 06 Audio System - Cell Phone Induced Clicking From Speakers 03-003-06 OCT 06 Differential - Fluid Level Inspection Procedure 08-030-06A AUG 06 Engine Control - PCM Initialization Procedure 24-006-06 AUG 06 A/C - Musty Odors When Hot/Humid 18-001-06A JUL 06 Engine Controls - Flash Reprogramming Abort Recovery
05-002-06 MAY 06 Brakes - Shudder While Braking
23-019-06 MAY 06 Interior - Adhesive Residue On Carpet 08-017-06 APR 06 StarSCAN(R) - Vehicle Scan Report Availability 21-007-06 APR 06 A/T - Delayed Shift Engagement/Related DTC's Set 08-014-06 MAR 06 Cell Phone - Hands Free Module Will Not Connect 18-007-06A MAR 06 Engine Controls - Generic PCM programming Procedure 23-014-06 MAR 06 Wipers/Washers - Wipers Smear or Streak Winshield 14-001-06 JAN 06 Fuel System - MIL ON/DTC P0457 Set 22-001-05 DEC 05 Wheels - Caring for Chrome Wheels 08-060-05 NOV 05 Engine Controls - Engine No Crank/No FCM Communication 19-008-05A NOV 05 Steering - Revised Power Steering Bleeding 08-058-05 OCT 05 Audio System - Revised Antenna Mast Installation 08-055-05 OCT 05 Audio System - Satellite Radio Static 23-048-05 OCT 05 Interior - Cup Holder Broken 08-013-05A OCT 05 Cell Phone - UConnect(R) Hands Free Phone Inoperative 23-035-05 JUL 05 Body - Circular/Ring Marks on Glass 18-029-05 JUN 05 Engine Controls - Co-Pilot Support & Correct Cable Usage 08-025-05 MAY 05 Computers/Controls - 'Loss of Comm' DTC Explanation 08-024-05 MAY 05 Electrical - Radio Equipment Installation Recommendation 08-023-05 MAY 05 Body/Electrical - Power Window Operation Information
19-003-05 MAY 05 Steering - Movement Felt in Column
21-009-05 MAR 05 A/T - 42RLE MIL ON/Multiple DTC's Set 08-014-05 FEB 05 Accessories - MOPAR(R) Remote Starter Inoperative 08-006-05 JAN 05 Body - Power Windows Operate Slowly 18-009-04A SEP 04 Engine Controls - Generic PCM Programming Procedure 09-013-04 AUG 04 Engine - Oil Quality/Viscosity Requirements 08-027-04 JUL 04 Safety Systems - Inadvertent Damage/Disabling 08-001-04 JAN 04 Air Bag System - Passenger Air Bag Service Precautions
the dealer service department will also be able to print the 3 TSBs for you... usually... if you ask them for it... you can also subscribe to alldatadiy.com to get at the text...
this showed up at the NHTSA web site
Make : DODGE Model : DAKOTA Year : 2005 Manufacturer : CHRYSLER LLC Service Bulletin Number : 06006 Date of Bulletin : NOV 16, 2006 NHTSA Item Number : 10020759 Component : TIRES Summary : SHAKES WHILE DRIVING ON SMOOTH ROADS AND/OR PULSATES WHILE BRAKING. *KB
Make : DODGE Model : DAKOTA Year : 2005 Manufacturer : CHRYSLER LLC Service Bulletin Number : 1901204 Date of Bulletin : MAY 03, 2005 NHTSA Item Number : 10011930 Component : STEERING Summary : STEERING COLUMN SNAPPING OR TICKING SOUND. *TT
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/tsbs/tsbsearch.cfm
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