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Re: Check Engine Light

 
CrunchyCookie CrunchyCookie
User | Posts: 153 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/06/05
01:47 PM

The Check Engine light (or Service Engine Soon, etc.) has a reputation of being the most cryptic, alarming, and sometimes trivial dashboard warning light.  Cryptic because it could point to any problem and you need a mechanic's computer to diagnose it; it gives him a code which he then interprets.  It's often not as catastrophic as it sounds and probably points to a simple emissions problem.  Don't assume you have to stop right away and get towed.

Anecdotes aren't worth much, but just as one example, my mechanic once left my throttle cable in a stretched position after servicing my car, which had me revving too high and was enough to turn the light on.

But depending on the car, if the light is blinking, it might point to an engine misfire.  Or so says my Nissan manual.
 

 
blitwack blitwack
User | Posts: 103 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/06/05
02:29 PM

Recent studies have shown that 95% of all check engine light occurrences usually follow a messy and tragic explosion. Last year Ford Motors proudly announced having the safest post check engine light vehicles, boasting a family incineration rate of only 40% or so. Automotive calculates this means that Ford vehicles only melted around 30,000 Ford riders and drivers into the chassis of their vehicles in the last year. Personally I'd suggest doing what can be considered as the only safe/smart move in a check engine light scenario: Douse the car in gasoline and set fire to it. Kill your car before it kills you.
 

 
hib96 hib96
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/06/05
04:14 PM

I have a drivetrain service light coming on in my jeep grand cherokee.
Any ideas what might be cousing this and more importantly how do i fix it?

thanks
 

 
jtsang jtsang
New User | Posts: 31 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/13/05
02:42 PM

the electrical system on my car has a short of some kind where the check engine light periodically comes on for short stints. i've taken it to the different mechanics and they can't seem to find out exactly what the problem is, the car is in decent driving condition with no glaring engine problems. they simply reset the system and it goes away. i've heard that the lights on a dash are like a street signal. if its yellow you need to slow down and get it checked out as soon as you can. whereas a red light means stop and get immediate help.

 

 
krichards krichards
Administrator | Posts: 23 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/13/05
03:23 PM

 hib96 wrote:
I have a drivetrain service light coming on in my jeep grand cherokee.
Any ideas what might be cousing this and more importantly how do i fix it?

thanks


Have you done any modifications to your suspension that might affect anything?

:-)  

 
dcampos dcampos
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 01/13/05
03:24 PM

Yeah, even a loose gas cap will cause a check engine light to stay on. It costs around $50 for my mechanic to reset the light.;(  

 
BigJaws BigJaws
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 07/05
Posted: 07/07/05
03:48 AM

My engine light came on as an A2 sensor warning... Not sure what the O2 sensor does... Senses O2 i suspect... Anyway, they reset it for 75$.   1 week later it came on again...  Can I reset it myself?   they said 200$ for a new sensor.  That is steep... Do I really need my O2 sensed that badly?
 

 
rhoyt rhoyt
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 07/05
Posted: 07/07/05
12:20 PM

BigJaws wrote:
My engine light came on as an A2 sensor warning... Not sure what the O2 sensor does... Senses O2 i suspect... Anyway, they reset it for 75$. 1 week later it came on again... Can I reset it myself? they said 200$ for a new sensor. That is steep... Do I really need my O2 sensed that badly?
    what is year and make of    car    ?  how many miles?  

 
Allen Allen
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 07/05
Posted: 07/22/05
02:22 PM

(1991 Ford E150 van V8 302)
Any help would be appreciated.  The van is undependable.

Right after I replaced a leaking float in my forward gas tank, the check engine light started coming on and the engine began intermittently balking (quickly cuts out then in) off and on.  Thinking there was cause and effect, I replaced the whole fuel pump assembly for the tank, including the vapor control valve and grommet and the lock ring rubber gasket.  However, the check engine light still came on and the balking continued.  

So, after reading the possible causes in my Haynes manual, I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, pcv valve, air filter, oil filler/air intake filter, and the in-line fuel filter (underneath the van attached to the frame).  I removed plugs 8 through 3 and checked the plug and gap which are OK.  Plugs 2 and 1 are very hard to get out, so I skipped those for now.  I added a thin film of dielectric silicon grease to the plug wire and spark plug connector for corrosion resistance and ease of removal.  

Now it takes much longer for the check engine light to come on (4-10 miles) and it now goes back out, on and off.  The balking is still there, and appears to be OUT of synch with the check engine light, but it takes a lot longer for the balking to start.  I have the engine cover off and there is a distinct loud clicking sound when the engine balks.  I can’t tell where it is coming from or whether it is a cause or an effect.

The next steps (not in order) I can think of are: (0) call Car Talk when they get back from vacation, (1) replace the in-fuel-line canister attached to the van’s frame forward of the forward gas tank, (2) replace the plug wires, (3) replace the gas tank caps, (4) replace the in-line fuel pump forward of the forward gas tank, (5) replace the coil, and/or EEC microprocessor and/or ignition module (6) start replacing other emission control components, (7) take it to a garage that can plug into and read the diagnostic system, (8) take it to a dealer.

 

 
Allen Allen
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 07/05
Posted: 08/08/05
07:28 PM

Allen wrote:

(1991 Ford E150 van V8 302)
Any help would be appreciated. The van is undependable.



After futilely replacing quite a few things, I used a code scanner that Advance Auto Parts loans free of charge.  After several tries, I finally got a code when the problem was actually occurring.  The code description was low voltage on the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor), which is attached to the bottom of the throttle body.  When I removed the TPS, it had one wire with no insulation (possibly a ground wire?), another wire with the last 1-2 inches of insulation missing, and a third wire with good insulation.  The replacement TPS had insulation on all three wires.  There was a lot of carbon and possibly oil buildup in the intake manifold for a van with only 49000 miles, hopefully the result of the TPS, which may have been bad since I bought the van in 1991.

The engine ran noticeably smoother as soon as I replaced the TPS (not an easy task).  The engine light came on for a second after the first mile or two, but hasn't been on since then.  The engine balking/hesitation/cutting in and out quit.  However, I will reserve final opinion until I get a few hundred miles on the new TPS.

Incidentally, the Haynes manual said that the TPS, after replacement had to be adjusted by a dealer.  However, this particular TPS was listed as non-adjustable on the Internet at Advance Auto Parts, where I bought it.

So, this problem apparently had nothing to do with my replacing the float, then the fuel pump assembly in the forward tank.  It was just a very misleading coincidence and I fell for it.

Unbelievably, as soon as I replace the bad TPS, the turn signal then suddenly quit working, the battery went dead, and the fuel guage started wandering back and forth from three quarters full to empty, but not in that order.  Those problems now appear to again have just been a coincidence and had nothing to do with my replacing the TPS.  The battery proved to be bad according to Advance Auto Parts testing machine.  The turn signal problem was due to a bad flasher, which happens to be separate from the hazard lamps flasher and is on the back of the fuse panel and hard to find.  The Haynes manual said it was behind the instrument panel.

The moral of the story is don't put a lot of weight on problems occuring close together in time.  There may be no cause and effect.  Twice I spent a lot of extra time and money betting on what turned out to be coincidences, instead of looking first for the simple and usual causes.

 

 

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